[quote="jrott"]Hi hufc

To me, this looks like its has the characteristics of being autopen, the Royals including Di did use an autopen machine so this is very possible. I put a small blurb about autopen below, read it then look at your photo, the "dots" when the pen stops and starts are clearly visible. I will try to find a Princess Di autopen photo so we can compare the 2

[i]Autopen signatures have a couple of giveaway flaws: [b]First, they are often done in Sharpie[/b], which hides the fact that the machine signatures are of a consistent line width from beginning to end, due to the unchanging pressure-- not often the case with actual signatures, which will show some variance of line width, particularly at the end of strokes. Indeed, [b]autopens will often show a wider spot, or "dot" at the beginning and end of the signature, where the pen was placed on the paper, and where it stopped and was lifted off the paper[/b].[/i][/quote]


Yer - Good post and a possibility. I look forward to your images...

Look at the second down of the three Di grafts on my post above.. This has the same traits as you mention. But is hand signed...Take a look at my original image and you see the letter "D" in her name and the ink strokes of it are not consistent with an auto pen graft... Any thoughts please..

Hi hufc

To me, this looks like its has the characteristics of being autopen, the Royals including Di did use an autopen machine so this is very possible. I put a small blurb about autopen below, read it then look at your photo, the "dots" when the pen stops and starts are clearly visible. I will try to find a Princess Di autopen photo so we can compare the 2

[i]Autopen signatures have a couple of giveaway flaws: [b]First, they are often done in Sharpie[/b], which hides the fact that the machine signatures are of a consistent line width from beginning to end, due to the unchanging pressure-- not often the case with actual signatures, which will show some variance of line width, particularly at the end of strokes. Indeed, [b]autopens will often show a wider spot, or "dot" at the beginning and end of the signature, where the pen was placed on the paper, and where it stopped and was lifted off the paper[/b].[/i]

[quote="paulmustang1"]I looked around the net and found a few so called pictures signed by her and they all look different than each other.I am leaning on a forgery myself also but i could be mistaken also so don't rule that out.[/quote]

Sorry l forgot to say that once you start using thick sharpie pens on autographs, forgers can hide a multitude of sins. The details that an original true autograph would show with a fine pen are lost…Just another tip – beware of thick pen autos from unreliable sources with a story of collect from a friend of a friend etc….

[quote="paulmustang1"]I looked around the net and found a few so called pictures signed by her and they all look different than each other.I am leaning on a forgery myself also but i could be mistaken also so don't rule that out.[/quote]

The item above has a past blip in its history. I can track it from the recognized supplier/Charity. It has all the correct documents with it & in the frame but is missing the original recipient of the item. That’s the question mark/blip. The aid worker who received this item supposedly wishes to stay anonymous and that raises the question.

Ive have had offers to sell but lm still not sure? But this still does not help with the question.

Its the same with any item a true collector has, it has to be 100%. But when questions start to be asked! That’s when the doubt creeps in...I might be a mile of the mark but l am still not 100% sure..I still need a true collector of royalty autos thought on the image please!!!!

It’s a sad indictment of our hobby but the reason for so many variations of her autograph(apart from her changing her graft over time) the market is awash with Fakes. Even the recognized auction houses find it hard to separate genuine from fake. She has a very easy autograph to reproduce and provenance is the main key to authenticity.

I have attached a few images paulmustang1 for you to look at & may be of some help in your learning curve of P.Di – These are all 100% correct from recognized auction houses. Hope they help on your Princess Di grafts….Remeber the key is history of the item you are collecting if not collected yourself!!!!


[img]http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv205/hufc1908/princesdigraftAbm.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv205/hufc1908/princesdigraftAbm1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv205/hufc1908/princesdigraftAbm2.jpg[/img]

I looked around the net and found a few so called pictures signed by her and they all look different than each other.I am leaning on a forgery myself also but i could be mistaken also so don't rule that out.

[quote="Glamourglitz"]It's definitely fake {down}[/quote]

Please could you explain a bit more on you post & reason for your quote. Thanks Abm

It's definitely fake {down}

[img]http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv205/hufc1908/DiAuto.jpg[/img]


Collected this from a charity organisation about five years ago at auction...Anyone...