by Illy Mitchum » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:45 pm
MW1221 wrote:Zaj wrote:TheArtist wrote:it's not even worth arguing, you guys are just so uninformed. i guess that's why this board is going to sh*t.
I'm an AVID autograph sports collector. I know Peyton's VERY well... and the TTM match the IP exactly. There is zero evidence to support your basis. You refuse to show any evidence for yourself which makes YOU look uninformed.
This is why things on this board get heated so quickly.
If someone talked to you like that, would you go on the defensive? I know I would.
So, why don't we have a nice conversation about this instead of clawing at each other's throats?
As you can see from my post before yours, I've asked for more information on their beliefs.
Clearly there is some evidence, or they wouldn't hold those beliefs. It may be small, it may be misunderstood, but it exists.
If you talk to them like that, you'll never find out what it is. And, personally, I'm curious.
So, I'm going to assume the role of referee for this thread, to make sure things don't get overly heated. Anyone who has a problem with that can take it up with me via PM.
I'm sorry, but I'll say again as someone who has gotten Eli in person year after year several times... And know his Sig & Tendencies in & out...
The mere concept of presenting a theory that Eli & Peyton have the same ghost signer because of Eli's "loop" is so laughable that it's difficult to entertain seriously. ANYONE who has gotten Eli IP khows the lazy "M & loop" instead of "Manning"..
And again, I grew up as a kid following Peyton Manning's Autograph since 1998. I know it(and it's very slight changes over the years) almost as well as my own signature.
The concept that his TTM Autographs are ghost signed is quite simply nonsense... If it's a ghost signer, it's the greatest to ever live. A savant... Because the signature literally matches 100% to his Paid Signatures from Steiner Sports & IP's.
http://www.steinersports.com/search.htm ... on+manning
^^^Please, PLEASE ANYONE look at these Peyton Signatures and tell me how his TTM's differ, in even the
SLIGHTEST way... I'd love to hear it. lol
Again, add in his past comments about the time he spends signing his fanmail, Sports Illustrated dedicating an entire section of his Sportsman of the Year Article on this very subject and Peyton's process...
How can you possibly be cynical enough in the face of all the evidence to still say "Nope. Fake!"?
BASED ON WHAT?????? Because it's certainly not the Signature, which is a perfect match... So What?
I've heard nothing... Compared to the mountains of stuff I have already listed.
I'm a pretty cynical guy in general... I'm ESPECIALLY cynical when it comes to this hobby. I have seen not one shred of info or evidence to make me doubt Peyton's TTM Autographs... Not one.
If it's because of PSA/DNA, then that's just sad... I've already spoken about them.
[quote="MW1221"][quote="Zaj"][quote="TheArtist"]it's not even worth arguing, you guys are just so uninformed. i guess that's why this board is going to sh*t.[/quote]
I'm an AVID autograph sports collector. I know Peyton's VERY well... and the TTM match the IP exactly. There is zero evidence to support your basis. You refuse to show any evidence for yourself which makes YOU look uninformed.[/quote]
This is why things on this board get heated so quickly.
If someone talked to you like that, would you go on the defensive? I know I would.
So, why don't we have a nice conversation about this instead of clawing at each other's throats?
As you can see from my post before yours, I've asked for more information on their beliefs.
Clearly there is some evidence, or they wouldn't hold those beliefs. It may be small, it may be misunderstood, but it exists.
If you talk to them like that, you'll never find out what it is. And, personally, I'm curious.
So, I'm going to assume the role of referee for this thread, to make sure things don't get overly heated. Anyone who has a problem with that can take it up with me via PM.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but I'll say again as someone who has gotten Eli in person year after year several times... And know his Sig & Tendencies in & out...
The mere concept of presenting a theory that Eli & Peyton have the same ghost signer because of Eli's "loop" is so laughable that it's difficult to entertain seriously. ANYONE who has gotten Eli IP khows the lazy "M & loop" instead of "Manning"..
And again, I grew up as a kid following Peyton Manning's Autograph since 1998. I know it(and it's very slight changes over the years) almost as well as my own signature.
The concept that his TTM Autographs are ghost signed is quite simply nonsense... If it's a ghost signer, it's the greatest to ever live. A savant... Because the signature literally matches 100% to his Paid Signatures from Steiner Sports & IP's.
http://www.steinersports.com/search.html?searchTerm=peyton+manning
^^^Please, PLEASE ANYONE look at these Peyton Signatures and tell me how his TTM's differ, in even the [b]SLIGHTEST[/b] way... I'd love to hear it. lol
Again, add in his past comments about the time he spends signing his fanmail, Sports Illustrated dedicating an entire section of his Sportsman of the Year Article on this very subject and Peyton's process...
How can you possibly be cynical enough in the face of all the evidence to still say "Nope. Fake!"?
BASED ON WHAT?????? Because it's certainly not the Signature, which is a perfect match... So What?
I've heard nothing... Compared to the mountains of stuff I have already listed.
I'm a pretty cynical guy in general... I'm ESPECIALLY cynical when it comes to this hobby. I have seen not one shred of info or evidence to make me doubt Peyton's TTM Autographs... Not one.
If it's because of PSA/DNA, then that's just sad... I've already spoken about them.
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