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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:06 pm

vivalakayla wrote:Never heard of the company. But if they got it from someone else without knpwing its really real they shouldnt have guarenteed it! Unless its a really really reputable company like autograph world or toppix. From the sounds of it they dont know much about autos. Given the fact they are selling JL secs as real.

Either they knew it was fake and wasnt banking on you actually sending it on or they didnt know and was just saying they guarenteed ot because the company they got it from said it was real. Either way not good!
I agree with you, doesn't seem the seller has a clue. It's going back tomorrow.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by vivalakayla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:03 pm

Never heard of the company. But if they got it from someone else without knpwing its really real they shouldnt have guarenteed it! Unless its a really really reputable company like autograph world or toppix. From the sounds of it they dont know much about autos. Given the fact they are selling JL secs as real.

Either they knew it was fake and wasnt banking on you actually sending it on or they didnt know and was just saying they guarenteed ot because the company they got it from said it was real. Either way not good!

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:33 am

vivalakayla wrote:
lalashi485 wrote:
Are they paying the $20 you paid for the authentication? I would definitely leave them feedback stating it didn't pass authentication like they guaranteed.
They don't want to and I don't know if ebay would make them. I plan on reporting them for selling fakes once I get my money back.

I would try to see if they will. They guaranteed it would pass, it didn't so they should pay it.
I'll see if I push it. The seller replied asking if I could send them a copy of the letter I got from PSA which details why the card failed authentication. Apparently they want to lodge a complaint of their own against the company who sold it to them. By any chance, has anyone here heard of Alpha Memorabilia? This is the company the seller mentioned. I can't find them anywhere. I don't know what to think now, so far the seller hasn't had any issues answering my questions and the more I look at other autographs the more I think the one I got looks authentic. Probably doesn't help that I've seen so many stories about PSA deeming authentic autographs as fakes.

I think from now on I will stick to ttm requests only lol

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by vivalakayla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:28 am

lalashi485 wrote:
Are they paying the $20 you paid for the authentication? I would definitely leave them feedback stating it didn't pass authentication like they guaranteed.
They don't want to and I don't know if ebay would make them. I plan on reporting them for selling fakes once I get my money back.

I would try to see if they will. They guaranteed it would pass, it didn't so they should pay it.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:18 am

Are they paying the $20 you paid for the authentication? I would definitely leave them feedback stating it didn't pass authentication like they guaranteed.
They don't want to and I don't know if ebay would make them. I plan on reporting them for selling fakes once I get my money back.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by vivalakayla » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:37 pm

lalashi485 wrote:
MW1221 wrote:
lalashi485 wrote:I have an update. Unfortunately, the card was determined to be a fake. I'm so disappointed but I think I always kind of knew this would be the outcome. Now it's time to ask for a refund and report the seller for selling fakes.

I don't know why I didn't see the red flag. This person has a crazy amount of "autographs" from the Hunger Games cast. Aside from that, after close inspection of there listings I realized they are selling Jennifer Lawrence secs as authentic. I seriously feel like a moron.

Get your money back?
Yes, the seller is giving my money back. They acted so surprised but didn't even try to convince me it was real. I guess they felt stupid since they had insisted it would pass authentication from psa or jsa.

Are they paying the $20 you paid for the authentication? I would definitely leave them feedback stating it didn't pass authentication like they guaranteed.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:18 pm

MW1221 wrote:
lalashi485 wrote:I have an update. Unfortunately, the card was determined to be a fake. I'm so disappointed but I think I always kind of knew this would be the outcome. Now it's time to ask for a refund and report the seller for selling fakes.

I don't know why I didn't see the red flag. This person has a crazy amount of "autographs" from the Hunger Games cast. Aside from that, after close inspection of there listings I realized they are selling Jennifer Lawrence secs as authentic. I seriously feel like a moron.

Get your money back?
Yes, the seller is giving my money back. They acted so surprised but didn't even try to convince me it was real. I guess they felt stupid since they had insisted it would pass authentication from psa or jsa.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by MW1221 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:57 am

lalashi485 wrote:I have an update. Unfortunately, the card was determined to be a fake. I'm so disappointed but I think I always kind of knew this would be the outcome. Now it's time to ask for a refund and report the seller for selling fakes.

I don't know why I didn't see the red flag. This person has a crazy amount of "autographs" from the Hunger Games cast. Aside from that, after close inspection of there listings I realized they are selling Jennifer Lawrence secs as authentic. I seriously feel like a moron.

Get your money back?

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:03 am

I have an update. Unfortunately, the card was determined to be a fake. I'm so disappointed but I think I always kind of knew this would be the outcome. Now it's time to ask for a refund and report the seller for selling fakes.

I don't know why I didn't see the red flag. This person has a crazy amount of "autographs" from the Hunger Games cast. Aside from that, after close inspection of there listings I realized they are selling Jennifer Lawrence secs as authentic. I seriously feel like a moron.

Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman autograph fake or real?

by lalashi485 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:15 am

I wish I had known about the cheaper service but it's too late now. COA's don't do much for me because I know that they can be easily made by anyone with a printer. I've definitely learned my lesson and I wont be making anymore autograph purchases from eBay. The seller has a rather short period of time for returns but I have been on eBay long enough to know that isn't set in stone. If it comes back as a fake I will report them if I have to in order to get my money back.
I've bought a few off eBay and I'd do it again--same with other rare collectibles.

Here's a little trick: Ask the seller every possible question about the item. How they got it, where they got it, why they got it, how many they got, etc.

The frauds will either dodge the questions or refuse to answer at a certain point: "Either you'll buy it or you won't." Even if they start out lying, the amount of questions will eventually annoy them to the point that they quit.

The honest ones will actually answer every single question, right down to what the person was wearing when they signed the item.

As for COAs being able to come from anyone with a printer--the problem with all major third party authentication services that aren't intentionally defrauding people is that they're stretched too thin. An unknown forensic examiner will be more likely to spend more time with the item than a major company that's required to authenticate one item every 3 minutes because of the number of items coming in.

It's not necessarily that they're bad at their jobs, it's that they don't have the time or freedom to be great at their jobs. That's why I said the quick opinion is the best route, because you get a quick opinion either way, only that one is a lot cheaper.

When you pay for the Quick Opinion, you're paying for just that. When you pay for full blown authentication, you're paying for the COA, as that's really the only difference.

But my fingers are crossed for ya, despite everyone else on this forum saying otherwise about my personality.
I appreciate all the feedback and advice. I'm still learning and I could definitely use it. I'll update this post once I get the card back.

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