Sun Devil wrote: Why does it matter? Go read Article 2 Sec 1 of the United States Constitution. If Liberals and Democrats had their way our Constitution would look like a high school chalkboard. Changing it every single day. Futhermore, your argument of Arnold being elected as Governor holds no weight as that position does not stipulate the same requirements to be President. Maybe the Queen of England and her heirs give up their position to street bums....how important would William and Harry be without their precious DNA? Point being, you like your tradition of the Monarchy and WE REPSECT OUR CONSTITUTION.

Erm. I'm very aware that it follows "the rules" in your Constitution. The whole point of my argument was WHY is there a stipulation in the Constitution for one post in office and not another? What does it serve? Yes it's "the rules" but WHY do you need it? Aren't laws made to be amended upon the realisation that they hold no point anymore? You could have the best candidate for office, raised in America, born to Americans, but his Mum and Dad were on holiday in... Japan... when he was born. You would deny him the opportunity for a fact that was beyond his control? It's bizarre.

Equating it to our Royal Family is ridiculous. Besides, I like how you assume I'm a Royalist.

osiris wrote:Personally, I think it's reason to change the rules anyway. So what if he was born in Kenya? If his mother is American, he grew up in America and IS American... why doesnt it matter? If they can elect an Austrian to govenor of California they can **** sure elect a President who was born elsewhere.

Why does it matter? Go read Article 2 Sec 1 of the United States Constitution. If Liberals and Democrats had their way our Constitution would look like a high school chalkboard. Changing it every single day. Futhermore, your argument of Arnold being elected as Governor holds no weight as that position does not stipulate the same requirements to be President. Maybe the Queen of England and her heirs give up their position to street bums....how important would William and Harry be without their precious DNA? Point being, you like your tradition of the Monarchy and WE REPSECT OUR CONSTITUTION.

Personally, I think it's reason to change the rules anyway. So what if he was born in Kenya? If his mother is American, he grew up in America and IS American... why doesnt it matter? If they can elect an Austrian to govenor of California they can damn sure elect a President who was born elsewhere.

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Jaffer wrote:The sweet irony here is John McCain was not born in America either. He was born in Panama I beleive.

Technically speaking, he was born on a military base. US military bases are seen as "US soil" no matter where they are.

And the media made Mr. McCain produce HIS papers--and he did. I just didn't like Obama objecting to the release. It almost seems he thought he was "better" than others. His competition released all his records--birth, school, military, but Obama dragged his feet before releasing ANYTHING and I don't think his school records have been made public yet.

I really don't know what I believe about the whole birth thing. Before he won the election it was an issue, now I can't imagine anyone removing the president from office even IF it is "proven" he was born in Kenya--the entire African-American community will be up in arms and claiming "racist" efforts. THAT would be a fiasco!

BossC

Jaffer wrote:The sweet irony here is John McCain was not born in America either. He was born in Panama I beleive.

Technically speaking, he was born on a military base. US military bases are seen as "US soil" no matter where they are.

Lol this issue right here is why so many people dislike America.

Yes,democrats started the issue (Clinton supporters as far as I am aware), and it is a fact that is sadly often forgotten. but conservatives have certainly made it a mainstream debate (hell, the Clinton supporters who started it were probably social conservatives too) he has now released two different birth cirtificates. Bill O Riely said that his investigation concluded he was born in Hawaii. What more do you people want?

Incidentally, a Clinton supporter looking for evidence he was not American-born actually found the birth announcement in an old Hawaii newspaper. I suppose his parents planted that back in the day, knowing he would be president someday I keep on hearing this two million dollar figure being bandied about, but without any actual proof to back it up. Hell, I once read a republican blogger claiming Obama was muslim. Why? Because his middle name was Hussein, similar to Saddam Hussein. Get it? Genius! Never mind the fact Saddam was seen as secular leader. These are the kind of people we seem to be dealing with. The ''death panel'' nonsense is another goood example.

The sweet irony here is John McCain was not born in America either. He was born in Panama I beleive.
Also, considering how sychophantic some conservatives can be to a frankly out-dated and flawed constitution, they seem to be ignorant of parts of it. No where does it state that you must be born in the boundaries of USA to be presidant. ''natural born citizen'' does not mean that at all. Sigh

But hey, I should not worry. In five years China will overtake America as #1. That's right, the communist(ish) country. More sweet irony there. Don't even get me started on this ''Obama is a radical marxist'' rubbish lol.

This is just subtle racism and/or xenophobia to be honest. Nothing more.

Actually, he produced a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Birth Certificate. Sorry!

Since I started this whole thing I will give you the facts. It was a problem before the election. They released his birth certificate and it has been shown on the news and in magazines. They have spoken to the Hawaii Dept of Health who has verified the birth and it was announced , not by the parents, but in the general notices, as they do in Hawaii, in two newspapers. It was released with all of the other births. They have even spoken to people born on that day whose notices were in the paper and it was put in because they put all births are entered from the hospital. Then, because his father was born in Kenya, some unstable person decided to start a movement that Pres Obama was not born in the US because he has a Kenyan father. Maybe they did not realize that fathers do not have babies (ha). Thus, the birther movement started. These people have been relentless so the other day the government decided to release the long form of the birth certificate which is kept in a vault in the hospital for all babies born there. They do not release them to anyone. The Obama people, because of Donald Trump's relentless pursuit of O'bama, released the long form and now Trump has gone on to demand his college records. Either Trump hit his head really hard (no, that would mess his hair), or he wants the limelight as usual to get his show continued for another year. That is the official story. Whether you like the man (Trump) or not, his behavior is unacceptable and he is not qualified to run for president. He could not even pass the citizenship test. I wrote here thinking this was a space for "General Discussion," thus it would be appropriate. Then, someone told me it was for autographs which I did not know, my apologies. However it did start up quite a discussion. Above are the facts and you can find them in any reliable
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I'm not a "birther", but can understand where they're coming from. Why did it take Obama so long to produce the document when it was an issue even before the general election? Yes, Bill and Hill were the ones who started this, but no one in the press will report that.

Donald Trump is not a real candidate for president, but is bringing up some good issues.

Mighty_Modders wrote:Maybe I don't understand the whole political process in the USA, but I have no idea why anyone pursued this issue to the stage where the guy had to whip out his own personal documents. I'm guessing if thats a rule to become president, it would have been checked a fair while back (or is it all just a conspiracy for the tin-foil brigade?). If thats the biggest thing that people have to worry about, you aren't doing too badly.

NOTE: I do not mean to be confrontational; I am just saying what I think.


According to the Constitution, to be eligible for the presidency, you must be a natural born citizen. Some people claim Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, while part of his family claim he was born in Kenya. If he was born in Kenya, while his mom was 17, he would not be eligible. The engine oil thickens since at least 3 hospitals in Hawaii claim he was born there, while his own grandmother claims that she was there when he was born in Kenya. I could type 100 paragraphs on this issue, but I won't. Question #1: Why would someone spend several million dollars for 3 law firms to hid his birth certificate? Question #2: If he was born in Hawaii, why not just show the certificate and get it over with?

Again, I do not want to offend, but I've said my piece.