I agree that a new updated list of sec's AP's and PP should be formed. Not to knock anyone success but to give everyone a better understanding of what the word "authentic" means. I for one will never call a sec a success. But still there are secs being recieved every week. Maybe if there was a list users wouldn't waste time on them and instead use it to send to someone who will sign authenticlly.

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Can you point me to the rules that state this? I dont see this listed anywhere

I beleive that in the address section where the address is listed for the celeb, there should be a note that says
Believed to send Autopen
Believed to be Sec etc.........

If we are a true autograph community (the true definition) then the members should have the tools to educate themselves and if the tools are not there (like now) then its fair that other members educate others in collecting
How many members think studio Fan mail is real? Its about education[/quote][/quote]

Its always been an "unwritten rule" but its ridiculous and one that NO ONE should ever agree should be in place.

This forum has become more of a "any reply=success" than "autograph=success" forum, unfortunately.

[quote="khackdrums"][quote="Jaffer"]There is already such lists....[/quote]
Check out the stickied topics in the Is My Autograph Authentic? forum. There are three topics at the top that cover PP's, AP's, and Secretarials TTM. {up} [/quote]

There [b]was[/b] a list under those 3 topics but the lists have been deleted

[quote]but due to the rules of the forums we can't comment on that unless asked.[/quote]

Can you point me to the rules that state this? I dont see this listed anywhere

I beleive that in the address section where the address is listed for the celeb, there should be a note that says
Believed to send Autopen
Believed to be Sec etc.........

If we are a true autograph community (the true definition) then the members should have the tools to educate themselves and if the tools are not there (like now) then its fair that other members educate others in collecting
How many members think studio Fan mail is real? Its about education

This is where our own research has to come in. Even the 'experts' can be mistaken sometimes. I study up on what people are getting TTM and compare the signatures that I know are obtained IP and really look for common factors in both successes, like letter style, certain curves of letters, specially dedications, the more they write on the photo the easier it is to find similarities. {up} I also have HUNDREDS of Autograph Examples saved on my flash drives and external hard drives that I get from the succeses members on here receive (I Probably even have scans of the ones you've posted :lol: ) and I can always go back and compare if I find more examples. {up}

RYAN J. 8)

The list needs a major overhaul. I also think it should be moved to Feedback.

But what do I know.

[quote="Jaffer"]There is already such lists....[/quote]
Check out the stickied topics in the Is My Autograph Authentic? forum. There are three topics at the top that cover PP's, AP's, and Secretarials TTM. {up}

Khackdrums :D

There is already such lists....

This back and further battle over real authentic autographs versus everything else is getting old.

The one's in the know understand that certain auto's are just out right Fakes, but due to the rules of the forums we can't comment on that unless asked.

I think we need a topic that contains a list of known TTM PPs, APs and Secs [b]but I also know this is a debatable issue and will never happen[/b].

Why have members listed as autograph experts when they are not allowed to freely comment on the authenticity of autographs?

I feel having a master list that is only editable by the autograph experts and is often updated and in the FEEDBACK fourum is the way to go.