SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

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Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by RobertaRight » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:08 pm

I admit it is a big surprise for me. I mean, if you can use in the court of law? You never even had the pen in your hand.
It´s interesting, looks like I am going to find some more about this. Thanks for the input!

For me as a fan - receiving an autopen equals failure, but it can be nice f.e. if you want to display "signed" poster and would be afraid to put authentic sig in the sunlight or something. So I understand why some people want it.

But
I guess they are "legally right" about the book then. Still a failure in my eyes and the misleading is shameful. (I have not bought the book, just my thoughts). 8)

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by Jaffer » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:41 pm

RobertaRight wrote:
MW1221 wrote:Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point.
How is it with this legal authenticity actually? I am just curious. You cannot exactly replace person´s signature by autopen on a contract or sth. Or can you?

That would be bigger issue for identity theft than fear of signing index cards :) I just don´t get it

Technically, for an autopen there was one original signature and the other are "copies" done by machine. PP also had one original and the rest are copies done by machine. Seems worthless all the same
I could be wrong, but I believe autopens were first invented circa WWII so the president could sign cheques and death letters to family members of soldiers. So yes, they are legally binding. But I don't think they are in this case.

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by Ryco11757 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:38 pm

Nicksportsautographs wrote:
MW1221 wrote:
ultimateager wrote:the tobacco companies should put "smoking cigarettes won't kill you" instead of "smoking cigarettes may cause cancer." because there are truths in both of them... because cancer kills you, not cigarettes.

when you order a signed book, you aren't thinking its not hand signed. i mean whats the point of paying more for something that wasn't even personally signed? it should be at no added cost then. you are assuming since you are paying more for something, that there's added value to the item. in this case, there is NO ADDED VALUE.

http://youtu.be/ueywqUBW3oM[/youtube]

Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point. Preprints and secretarials are always worthless. Autopens become more and more valuable as the years go on.

And Jaffer, I did say that I do NOT agree with what they're doing, but it doesn't constitue fraud.

Look up the original purpose of the "Long Pen"...
You are completely wrong. Auto-pen's have zero value to people who actually collect autographs.
I agree. Everybody here seems to know that Auto-pen are worthless. Not valuable whatsoever

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by Nicksportsautographs » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:35 pm

MW1221 wrote:
ultimateager wrote:the tobacco companies should put "smoking cigarettes won't kill you" instead of "smoking cigarettes may cause cancer." because there are truths in both of them... because cancer kills you, not cigarettes.

when you order a signed book, you aren't thinking its not hand signed. i mean whats the point of paying more for something that wasn't even personally signed? it should be at no added cost then. you are assuming since you are paying more for something, that there's added value to the item. in this case, there is NO ADDED VALUE.

http://youtu.be/ueywqUBW3oM[/youtube]

Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point. Preprints and secretarials are always worthless. Autopens become more and more valuable as the years go on.

And Jaffer, I did say that I do NOT agree with what they're doing, but it doesn't constitue fraud.

Look up the original purpose of the "Long Pen"...
You are completely wrong. Auto-pen's have zero value to people who actually collect autographs.

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by ultimateager » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:34 am

MW1221 wrote:
ultimateager wrote:the tobacco companies should put "smoking cigarettes won't kill you" instead of "smoking cigarettes may cause cancer." because there are truths in both of them... because cancer kills you, not cigarettes.

when you order a signed book, you aren't thinking its not hand signed. i mean whats the point of paying more for something that wasn't even personally signed? it should be at no added cost then. you are assuming since you are paying more for something, that there's added value to the item. in this case, there is NO ADDED VALUE.

http://youtu.be/ueywqUBW3oM[/youtube]

Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point. Preprints and secretarials are always worthless. Autopens become more and more valuable as the years go on.
And Jaffer, I did say that I do NOT agree with what they're doing, but it doesn't constitue fraud.

Look up the original purpose of the "Long Pen"...
if you have watched "Pawn Stars" you would know that this is incorrect... because after time only the collectors want the items and collectors DO NOT put out $$$ for autopenned signatures.

big FAIL 4 u

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by RobertaRight » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:25 am

Ok, I did not know.

However, I find it awkward. I thought personal signature is irreplacable. But I am no lawyer. 8) Thanks

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by MW1221 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:18 am

RobertaRight wrote:
MW1221 wrote:Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point.
How is it with this legal authenticity actually? I am just curious. You cannot exactly replace person´s signature by autopen on a contract or sth. Or can you?

That would be bigger issue for identity theft than fear of signing index cards :) I just don´t get it
Yes. You can. Autopens can sign legal documents. Of course, I think there's a little more to it than sticking a contract into the machine and putting someone else's signature on it...

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by RobertaRight » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:11 am

MW1221 wrote:Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point.
How is it with this legal authenticity actually? I am just curious. You cannot exactly replace person´s signature by autopen on a contract or sth. Or can you?

That would be bigger issue for identity theft than fear of signing index cards :) I just don´t get it

Technically, for an autopen there was one original signature and the other are "copies" done by machine. PP also had one original and the rest are copies done by machine. Seems worthless all the same

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by MW1221 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:29 am

ultimateager wrote:the tobacco companies should put "smoking cigarettes won't kill you" instead of "smoking cigarettes may cause cancer." because there are truths in both of them... because cancer kills you, not cigarettes.

when you order a signed book, you aren't thinking its not hand signed. i mean whats the point of paying more for something that wasn't even personally signed? it should be at no added cost then. you are assuming since you are paying more for something, that there's added value to the item. in this case, there is NO ADDED VALUE.

http://youtu.be/ueywqUBW3oM[/youtube]

Once a person passes, the autopen stops running. Due to their legal authenticity, they become sought after after that point. Preprints and secretarials are always worthless. Autopens become more and more valuable as the years go on.

And Jaffer, I did say that I do NOT agree with what they're doing, but it doesn't constitue fraud.

Look up the original purpose of the "Long Pen"...

Re: SARAH PALIN Signed Books!! Must-Read!!

by RobertaRight » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:13 am

KennethECoker wrote: They can probably pass them of as "signed" since the autopen does actually apply a signature, which by definition means it signs the book.
It is like having it signed by my grandma and call it OK, because it is signed and that´s all it says. It does not matter, right, because it does not specify who signed it?
You are right, though. There were also "signed edition CDs" from different artists which of course were not signed, just had signatures print on the booklet.

But here it seems they purposely advertise something in a highly misleading way in order to trick customers, and that I simply consider a cheat.

And I personally do not give a damn if they claim that it is common thing to do in their business and they are professional liars. Whatever. You pay more for signed book, and they should not be able to say it is your problem because you assume the book was signed by the author and not sth or somebody else.

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