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Re: Autograph definition

by margotchanning » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:06 am

I don't have this problem very often as I'm heavily in to vintage movies and most older film stars (those no longer in the limelight) are happy to sign autographs.
If I do recieve a pp or ap it goes straight in the bin. I would rather get an RTS so that I can use my sase to write to another celebrity.

Re: Autograph definition

by scouser#1 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:41 pm

same here manu80 i don't treat a pp or ap as a success even though i posted my fabregas and van persie pre prints a success. i do generally keep all of the things i receive but i only frame the authentic ones i get, pp and ap will all go into a envelope and put away and as for secretarials they would probably go in the bin even though i havent received one......yet

Re: Autograph definition

by imail.jason » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:53 pm

Hi,

I treat an autopen/PP/sec- as a reply, but not a sucess. But I still think we should respect what others think, even if we do not accept it. Just like my sister she thinks a pp is great! To be honest, when she gets a pp, shes happier then when i get a genuine one! funny enough andy, my friend who collects stamps does collect replica stamps, as he cant afford the real ones.

thanks.

Re: Autograph definition

by James » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:34 pm

I agree with you Andy.. I may be a yound collector but I'd like to think that I have some knowledge on the subject.. I've been doing it for 2 1/2 years. {thumb2} I don't keep PP's or AP's either {up}

Re: Autograph definition

by RuleroftheWorld » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:30 pm

Nammzi wrote:I know what you mean, and I am not missing the point, I am just saying that just because someone doesn't mind being sent an AP or a PP doesn't mean they are stooping low. Some people are happy with what they get, in my opinion it is not up to other people to judge people who are happy with what they get. As fr the stamp thing, obviously they would prefer the real thing, but a picture of it would still show that you likes that stamp. An Ap or PP still shows that you are a fan.

ETA: When you say with young collectors, I don't agree with that. There are experienced collectors who keep AP's and PP's.
My comment regarding younger collectors was saying that its usually those (aka Newbies) who refuse to believe secs/autopens are fake, they stubbornly argue that they're real.

I know some experienced collectors keep PPs and APs, but that wasnt my point.

Re: Autograph definition

by Nammzi » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:18 am

I know what you mean, and I am not missing the point, I am just saying that just because someone doesn't mind being sent an AP or a PP doesn't mean they are stooping low. Some people are happy with what they get, in my opinion it is not up to other people to judge people who are happy with what they get. As fr the stamp thing, obviously they would prefer the real thing, but a picture of it would still show that you likes that stamp. An Ap or PP still shows that you are a fan.

ETA: When you say with young collectors, I don't agree with that. There are experienced collectors who keep AP's and PP's.

Re: Autograph definition

by Metallic x VOGUE » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:19 pm

Andy316 wrote:
Nammzi wrote:In my opinion you are right and wrong. If you recieve an Autopen, then it is usually the same shape as the persons autograph. I actually think that what you have said is a little unfair - People who don't mind getting AP's and PP's are not stooping low, they are just happy that they at least recieved something. I think that you should be moe careful about how you word your opinions :?
You're missing the point.

AUTOGRAPH collecting is about collecting AUTOGRAPHS. An autopen is NOT an autograph, neither is a PP or secretarial.

To give a different example -

A stamp collector collects stamps, right? Well if there was a stamp they didnt have in their collection, do you think they'd like a picture of the stamp instead to complete their collection? Of course they wouldnt. Its the same with autograph collecting, if you dont have the real deal, why would you want a fake instead?

Great Point, Andy! What is the fun in getting a fake autograph? You spend time writing letters to celebrities in hopes of them reading your letter and responding to it.. when you get a fake autograph they don't even read your letters most of the time so I don't see why it would be considered a success when you waste time and postage getting a fake autograph that you could print yourself on your computer.

Re: Autograph definition

by RuleroftheWorld » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:40 pm

Nammzi wrote:In my opinion you are right and wrong. If you recieve an Autopen, then it is usually the same shape as the persons autograph. I actually think that what you have said is a little unfair - People who don't mind getting AP's and PP's are not stooping low, they are just happy that they at least recieved something. I think that you should be moe careful about how you word your opinions :?
You're missing the point.

AUTOGRAPH collecting is about collecting AUTOGRAPHS. An autopen is NOT an autograph, neither is a PP or secretarial.

To give a different example -

A stamp collector collects stamps, right? Well if there was a stamp they didnt have in their collection, do you think they'd like a picture of the stamp instead to complete their collection? Of course they wouldnt. Its the same with autograph collecting, if you dont have the real deal, why would you want a fake instead?

Re: Autograph definition

by Nammzi » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:53 pm

In my opinion you are right and wrong. If you recieve an Autopen, then it is usually the same shape as the persons autograph. I actually think that what you have said is a little unfair - People who don't mind getting AP's and PP's are not stooping low, they are just happy that they at least recieved something. I think that you should be moe careful about how you word your opinions :?

Re: Autograph definition

by RuleroftheWorld » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:49 am

whosurdaddy wrote:AUTOGRAPH a person's own signature,something written in a person's own hand,to write with one's own hand,To write in one's own handwriting. I see so many on here who comment on autopens, preprints, stamps etc."that even though it's stamped etc at least you have his/her autograph" Are you kidding me? That's not an autograph. Has autograph collecting stooped to this low a level with young collectors?
Agreed 110%.

I'd rather get a letter saying "This celebrity can't be bothered...etc", than get a PP, stamp, sec or autopen.

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