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Re: Secretarials

by cernan » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:08 pm

HOLLEY 1 wrote:can someone show me evidence that secretarials do happen ? i am not saying they dont happen , but i would like to get some idea of how people know it does happen , and not just word of mouth or rumours . thanks :?
Of Course. I borrowed some scans of autographs from some fanmail.biz users. I hope you guys don't mind! :lol:

Lets start with Kiefer Sutherland. The star of "24", one of my favorite TV shows. His response times are eye-shockingly fast. Usually less than a month. How would someone that famous have that much time to sign?

Here is an example of an average TTM (Through The Mail) Success:

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Here is an authentic Sutherland signature obtained In Person:

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It doesn't look at all like the TTM Successes.

And now have a look at Paul Newman's and Matthew Broderick's Signatures:

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Unless I am mistaken (which I may be), the TTM Sutherlands, Newmans, and Brodericks all appear to have been signed by the same person.

I'll let you guys be the judge.

JC

Re: Secretarials

by karaoke » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:48 pm

can someone show me evidence that secretarials do happen ? i am not saying they dont happen , but i would like to get some idea of how people know it does happen , and not just word of mouth or rumours . thanks :?

Re: Secretarials

by Chris102 » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:29 pm

automusicgraph wrote:You make a good point... autograph collecting is supposed to be a fun hobby, and it shouldn't be ruined by people saying it's a secretarial.
It's ruined by the stars who employ assistants to sign their names, not by a fellow collector who identifies an autograph as a secretarial.

Re: Secretarials

by imail.jason » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:34 pm

Hi,

***************THIS IS WAT I THINK ONLY***************
(PLEASE DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE DISTURBED BY IT)

I find it strange that some people like to collect fake autographs, yea i guess i cant say no to ''you only know it if you were there'', but aint it comman sence sometimes, or is it just that some people enjoy blinding themselves from the truth. Maybe people are trying to help other collectors by notifing them wat they have is not a genuine article.

***************THIS IS WAT I THINK ONLY***************

thanks,
jason.

Re: Secretarials

by automusicgraph » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:49 pm

You make a good point... autograph collecting is supposed to be a fun hobby, and it shouldn't be ruined by people saying it's a secretarial.

Re: Secretarials

by scouser#1 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:29 pm

i agree with andy if i had mistaken a autopenned autograph to be authentic i would rather be told that it was a autopen instead of getting all excited about getting .......... autograph, the same with secretarials.(by the way i would be able to tell if it is a autopen or not lol)

Re: Secretarials

by WeeMan » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:17 pm

In my opinion PPs and APs still are autographs... but they are just not real, they are just a copy.

Other than that, I agree with Andy.

Re: Secretarials

by moviebuff85 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:18 am

Andy316 wrote:If a member is proclaiming a PP/autopen to be authentic, then they should be corrected, as other collectors may then write off expecting an "authentic", only to receive the PP/autopen. PPs and autopens can be 110% proven without a shadow of a doubt, there is no room for argument about authenticity with these.

As for secretarials, theres is room for debate, and yes they are effectively "opinions" as no one saw them being signed, but they are eductated opinions, and should still be respected. There is a lot of evidence towards ceretain stars sending secretarials, but it is upto the individual collector to make their own decisions about them.

This forum promotes "Dont give opinions on authenticity unless someone asks" and this is followed 99% of the time, so to be honest, there is no reason for this thread.

At the same time, a lot of people on here seem to ask for an opinion, then bite your head off if you suggest its not authentic, which begs the question - "Why ask?".

The bottom line is to most collectors, "Autograph collecting" is just that - the collection of autographs. Secs/pps/autopens are not autographs.

Thats my opinion anyway.

I completly respect your opinion an I think in a lot of cases the person is really clueless to even thinking an autopen or a really good pre-print is authentic and I think they should be corrected. That being said I started this disscusion because I really needed to vent and that is what was on my mind. I thank everyone for their comments. Happy collecting!

Re: Secretarials

by ozzman » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:50 am

have to agree with andy on this subject. I dont want to go around thinking my auto is real if it isnt.

Re: Secretarials

by m3tgecko » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:58 pm

Andy316 wrote:If a member is proclaiming a PP/autopen to be authentic, then they should be corrected, as other collectors may then write off expecting an "authentic", only to receive the PP/autopen. PPs and autopens can be 110% proven without a shadow of a doubt, there is no room for argument about authenticity with these.

As for secretarials, theres is room for debate, and yes they are effectively "opinions" as no one saw them being signed, but they are eductated opinions, and should still be respected. There is a lot of evidence towards ceretain stars sending secretarials, but it is upto the individual collector to make their own decisions about them.

This forum promotes "Dont give opinions on authenticity unless someone asks" and this is followed 99% of the time, so to be honest, there is no reason for this thread.

At the same time, a lot of people on here seem to ask for an opinion, then bite your head off if you suggest its not authentic, which begs the question - "Why ask?".

The bottom line is to most collectors, "Autograph collecting" is just that - the collection of autographs. Secs/pps/autopens are not autographs.

Thats my opinion anyway.
/signed

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