Wrestling Collectors?

[CubsFanKEC1982]

If anyone is going to get carpal tunnel syndrome, it will be John Cena. He signs tons of those prints for wwe every event.

Cena rides to each town in a bus. To be honest, the photos are a huge seller. WWE might sell 20 (low end) -100 (high end) at each event, meaning he likely signed about 500 to begin with and only has to sign enough to replace those sold the rest of the way on that item.

Not nearly the same as being Jeff Hardy and signing two autographs for all 300 TNA fans in attendance.

TNA ropes the fans in like a carny..

Imagine a festival or fair midway if you win, "You can win a prize" (get autographs of the stars) the carny promoter says and displays all the big prizes (main event talents) up front with the smaller ones on a shelf under the table.

Once you pay to throw a dart at ballons (or purchase the $50 meet-and-greet ticket), it's essentially if you break enough balloons and play enough times (or pay enough in TNA's case), you get a shot at the big prize.

WWE only promises a sports entertainment show. They never promise a meet-and-greet with the "stars" only to be shown the lower portion of the card and then be given the option to pay even more money to meet the upper tier talent.

Spin it as catering to the fans.. I'll call it carny tactics because that's what they are.

I've heard of numerous people that don't know any better and probably don't have enough to make their bills who dropped down $50 apiece for a family of four, misled to believe they were gonna get their kids a meeting with Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, etc., only to be disappointed to the point of causing a scene when the six wrestlers they sent out did the around the ring circuit.

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TNA carny deal = advertising meet and greet with the company's stars and then getting Garrett Bischoff, Sarita, Rosita, Eric Young and ODB for $50.

Then, once one enters, they're bilked out of $15 first for whomever the figure deal is. After those are sold, the backstage pass shill is done for another $50 where fans can usually meet the talent that signed figures plus the upper portion of the card.

As for getting money's worth, don't even get me started on how idiotic TNA has been of late in trying to enforce the only TNA merch rule. That's carny right there to force fans that paid to get in and paid to meet talent to buy the TNA program because they won't allow them to sign a WWE photo.

Bait-and-switch tactics. That's what TNA's house show model was built upon and that's what it continues to be. It's the old carny... Well, technically, we didn't tell you a lite, but we didn't tell the truth either and it's sketchy at best.

WWE offers usually a photo signed by one talent. They don't have to do it and actually didn't up until a few years back. It is a courtesy WWE provides for the fans since they don't have to subject their talents to carpal tunnel syndrome and only draw 500 fans in a 5,000 seat building.

Shows how up to date with TNA's house show model that you are these days, TNA hasn't done the backstage pass at house shows since the middle of October and in relation to that they put half of the main event, the semi main, the Knockouts match, half of the tag team match(or the x-division match), and half of the opening match in the preshow meet & greet (so you're lookin at Aries, Storm, Tara, ODB, Chavo & Hernandez, and Christopher Daniels. And even if you are looking at midcard/opening card talent it's not a lie, you are still meeting the talent in the company. Just not the ones you wanted so you can either go and enjoy the time or you can be a drag and piss and moan about it, at the end of the day it's all on you.. An arena or talent line up doesn't guarantee talent are going to be apart of the M&G, and they would be crazy to give away their top talent every show. Tristar accounts for a massive over inflation of autographs on the top talent, imagine 300 people at 2 items each over the course of 3 shows a week.

Funny you mention the TNA merch deal because I got Chavo (1 card & 1 promo), Tara (6 cards), D'lo (4 cards), and Anderson (3 cards & 1 promo) on plenty of WWE stuff, but given the lawsuit goin on between the companies TNA is covering it's bases in case WWE wants to go after them on some petty charge. I guess it's just my charm that got me that stuff signed without even one person saying a word to me about it, or maybe it was presentation that you disguise it between TNA merch. Even if TNA were enforcing the rule strictly to sell their stuff over WWE merch what the hell is wrong with that? Capitalism buddy, it's what makes this country successful (even semi-successful in times like these).

For someone that seems to do a lot of his graphing in freebie opportunities you sure as hell complain a hell of a lot about TNA. Not complaining about using airports or hotels, but it sounds like this all comes down to you not getting what you want the way you want it.

We all know it, you can run TNA better than the minds currently running it. The great and all knowing cubsfan has a masters in business.

I've heard of numerous people that don't know any better and probably don't have enough to make their bills who dropped down $50 apiece for a family of four, misled to believe they were gonna get their kids a meeting with Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, etc., only to be disappointed to the point of causing a scene when the six wrestlers they sent out did the around the ring circuit.

If someone doesn't have enough to pay their bills then maybe they oughta to be saving that $200 for something more important than a wrestling event if they aren't sure that things will pan out the way they want it to. Priorities are key here, are you willing to spend the money for a mixed bag knowing that you may not get what you hoped for, or do you wait for another opportunity and be better off in the end with the money instead of autographs of talent that you may not want?

TNA offers the opportunity to meet the talent, WWE doesn't and a photo for $20 of a talent that you don't get to meet may be the way you would rather go, by all means go to the WWE show and drop your $20. TNA's grab bag offers an added sense of surprise to the show.

[CubsFanKEC1982]

TNA carny deal = advertising meet and greet with the company's stars and then getting Garrett Bischoff, Sarita, Rosita, Eric Young and ODB for $50.

Then, once one enters, they're bilked out of $15 first for whomever the figure deal is. After those are sold, the backstage pass shill is done for another $50 where fans can usually meet the talent that signed figures plus the upper portion of the card.

As for getting money's worth, don't even get me started on how idiotic TNA has been of late in trying to enforce the only TNA merch rule. That's carny right there to force fans that paid to get in and paid to meet talent to buy the TNA program because they won't allow them to sign a WWE photo.

Bait-and-switch tactics. That's what TNA's house show model was built upon and that's what it continues to be. It's the old carny... Well, technically, we didn't tell you a lite, but we didn't tell the truth either and it's sketchy at best.

WWE offers usually a photo signed by one talent. They don't have to do it and actually didn't up until a few years back. It is a courtesy WWE provides for the fans since they don't have to subject their talents to carpal tunnel syndrome and only draw 500 fans in a 5,000 seat building.

Shows how up to date with TNA's house show model that you are these days, TNA hasn't done the backstage pass at house shows since the middle of October and in relation to that they put half of the main event, the semi main, the Knockouts match, half of the tag team match(or the x-division match), and half of the opening match in the preshow meet & greet (so you're lookin at Aries, Storm, Tara, ODB, Chavo & Hernandez, and Christopher Daniels. And even if you are looking at midcard/opening card talent it's not a lie, you are still meeting the talent in the company. Just not the ones you wanted so you can either go and enjoy the time or you can be a drag and **** and moan about it, at the end of the day it's all on you.. An arena or talent line up doesn't guarantee talent are going to be apart of the M&G, and they would be crazy to give away their top talent every show. Tristar accounts for a massive over inflation of autographs on the top talent, imagine 300 people at 2 items each over the course of 3 shows a week.

Funny you mention the TNA merch deal because I got Chavo (1 card & 1 promo), Tara (6 cards), D'lo (4 cards), and Anderson (3 cards & 1 promo) on plenty of WWE stuff, but given the lawsuit goin on between the companies TNA is covering it's bases in case WWE wants to go after them on some petty charge. I guess it's just my charm that got me that stuff signed without even one person saying a word to me about it, or maybe it was presentation that you disguise it between TNA merch. Even if TNA were enforcing the rule strictly to sell their stuff over WWE merch what the hell is wrong with that? Capitalism buddy, it's what makes this country successful (even semi-successful in times like these).

For someone that seems to do a lot of his graphing in freebie opportunities you sure as hell complain a hell of a lot about TNA. Not complaining about using airports or hotels, but it sounds like this all comes down to you not getting what you want the way you want it.

We all know it, you can run TNA better than the minds currently running it. The great and all knowing cubsfan has a masters in business.

I've heard of numerous people that don't know any better and probably don't have enough to make their bills who dropped down $50 apiece for a family of four, misled to believe they were gonna get their kids a meeting with Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, etc., only to be disappointed to the point of causing a scene when the six wrestlers they sent out did the around the ring circuit.

If someone doesn't have enough to pay their bills then maybe they oughta to be saving that $200 for something more important than a wrestling event if they aren't sure that things will pan out the way they want it to. Priorities are key here, are you willing to spend the money for a mixed bag knowing that you may not get what you hoped for, or do you wait for another opportunity and be better off in the end with the money instead of autographs of talent that you may not want?

TNA offers the opportunity to meet the talent, WWE doesn't and a photo for $20 of a talent that you don't get to meet may be the way you would rather go, by all means go to the WWE show and drop your $20. TNA's grab bag offers an added sense of surprise to the show.

First off, I made it through about three lines of your pro-TNA rant before I realized I have better things to do.

It's obvious and apparent to all that you're loyal to the Nashville-based company. Good for you. Phenomenal.

There's about 40 more of you all out there. Glad to see TNA building a fanbase.

That said, I did read the first few sentences and I'll address those..

Yes, the backstage passes has been done away with by-and-large.

Yet, in true carny TNA fashion, they were hawking a "Lifetime Backstage Pass" just two weeks prior for anyone who bought the $300 belt.

So, essentially, some poor saps bought belts for something that the company (if my numerous experiences are any indication) knew it was going to do away with days later.

Kind of like leading the marks to believe that the entire talent roster was gonna be at Bound For Glory, when they weren't.

Carny tactics I tell you. Carny tactics.

As for the rest.. Congrats on all that typing. If you had fun, that's all that counted.

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And yet you continue replying to it with all of the better things that you have to do when you're the one that went no where near the actual topic that was in question. You went off on this know it all smark rant where you again place yourself above other collectors with your "inside knowledge" and use of a dated term that isn't even being used correctly.

Far as the belt goes, if you have the belt you don't have to buy the action figures to go back for the meet and greet and get the in-ring post show picture at no extra cost. So in all actuality it's still a valid pass. Plus there is also the issue that from speaking to several sources within the company at the most recent show saying that the backstage pass has only been temporarily suspended so as the case has been numerous times in this debate, you once again only speak of half of the truth while not knowing the full story.

I don't even see what you've got to complain about though, did you buy the belt and end up duped in the end over the backstage pass? Still sour about Sting at Lockdown? Sour that you went to the Basebrawl show and the very next one had Sting on the line up?

Don't appreciate TNA's efforts? Don't go to the show but people that don't go to the shows have no right or reason to bitch.

[CubsFanKEC1982]

I don't even see what you've got to complain about though, did you buy the belt and end up duped in the end over the backstage pass? Still sour about Sting at Lockdown?

Don't appreciate TNA's efforts? Don't go to the show but people that don't go to the shows have no right or reason to ****.

So, essentially, a TNA loyalist is acknowledging that the company may have swindled some of its fans.

Personally, I neither like nor dislike TNA. I go sometimes when they are in the area and I don't on other occasions.

Therefore, I'm a paying customer.

And since I'm fairly certain you have no say in my workings, I'll continue to speak on the subject as I please.

However, when shoddy business practices are apparent, I will call the company on the carpet and make sure fellow, intelligent and unbiased collectors are aware.

Also, love your insider TNA information. How'd that work out for those that listened to you about ALL talents being at Bound for Glory?

As for Sting, can't say I am sour.. Got a pretty nice compensation package. And you?

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I don't even see what you've got to complain about though, did you buy the belt and end up duped in the end over the backstage pass? Still sour about Sting at Lockdown?

Don't appreciate TNA's efforts? Don't go to the show but people that don't go to the shows have no right or reason to ****.

So, essentially, a TNA loyalist is acknowledging that the company may have swindled some of its fans.

Personally, I neither like nor dislike TNA. I go sometimes when they are in the area and I don't on other occasions.

Therefore, I'm a paying customer.

And since I'm fairly certain you have no say in my workings, I'll continue to speak on the subject as I please.

However, when shoddy business practices are apparent, I will call the company on the carpet and make sure fellow, intelligent and unbiased collectors are aware.

Also, love your insider TNA information. How'd that work out for those that listened to you about ALL talents being at Bound for Glory?

As for Sting, can't say I am sour.. Got a pretty nice compensation package. And you?

Shit happens, as I've said several times and even during your 'so sure we're gonna get screwed at Lockdown' period, you can either make the most of what you're given or you can let a minor issue ruin the entire time. Either way, it's all on what you make of it.

And you call everyone else 'marks' for paying for autographs and other stuff? I've heard more bitching about TNA outta you than praise. Someone that is overly critical over the product to a point where they downright insult it as you have, yet they're still 'paying customers.' That's a real mark.

Considering how I didn't bother contacting any of my sources about Bound For Glory since I had absolutely no interest in how it went, and who listened to me anyways? Considering how little you contributed to the collective effort of the group in Nashville, yet I answered your game of 50 questions leading into Lockdown and was right on point about everything we can talk all about who has contributed more when it mattered.

I was well taken care of at Lockdown weekend, got additional Hogan and Flair over the two items, got a few event used pieces from the show, and one of the sources I've spoken with numerous times in TNA's office waved me through the meet and greet lines twice at the most recent house show? I'd say I was compensated pretty well.

[CubsFanKEC1982]

**** happens, as I've said several times and even during your 'so sure we're gonna get screwed at Lockdown' period, you can either make the most of what you're given or you can let a minor issue ruin the entire time. Either way, it's all on what you make of it.

And you call everyone else 'marks' for paying for autographs and other stuff? I've heard more bitching about TNA outta you than praise. Someone that is overly critical over the product to a point where they downright insult it as you have, yet they're still 'paying customers.' That's a real mark.

Considering how I didn't bother contacting any of my sources about Bound For Glory since I had absolutely no interest in how it went, and who listened to me anyways? Considering how little you contributed to the collective effort of the group in Nashville, yet I answered your game of 50 questions leading into Lockdown and was right on point about everything we can talk all about who has contributed more when it mattered.

I was well taken care of at Lockdown weekend, got additional Hogan and Flair over the two items, got a few event used pieces from the show, and one of the sources I've spoken with numerous times in TNA's office waved me through the meet and greet lines twice at the most recent house show? I'd say I was compensated pretty well.

I call bull on your "sources." Everyone knows TNA only has two office personnel - the little sweet girl that answers the phone and Dixie Carter, who answered recently when I called.

As for Nashville, I contributed as much to the "collective effort" as anyone. Just very little to your autographing acquirement because quite frankly I had friends to hang out with and you weren't very high on my list of priorities.

Other than that, I'm done with ya.... We've finished up on the deals we had made. I have nothing else for ya except to watch where you put your money with TNA. They're looking to rip you off.

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Right, there's two people that work in that entire office. Heather, Claire, Russell, Amy, Borash, Bob Ryder. Just to name of two and that's not even at the warehouse where the ShopTNA stuff is shipped from.

I didn't need your help in acquiring anything in Nashville, I approached everyone on my own and did well at that. I was the lead off with Val first thing in the morning and continued with Gail and so on. Being anywhere at all on your list of priorities was the last thing on my mind. Your 'I'll be at the airport if you have a problem and want to settle it" bullshit dropped off the face of the earth when we were in the same place too.

I would have loved to see you get yourself into that VIP party Friday Night without me there to set things up as the 'in' though. Surely you remember that. The party where we found out that none other than 'Wildcat' Chris Harris was in town as someone in our group said he would be. That guy sure was smart packing the Chris Harris cards to get signed. I can see why you would wanna forget it though after your reaction to trying to crack on Joe blew up in your face. That's my biggest regret of the weekend, I wish I had the camera recording that.

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Cubs, why do u call TNA so much?


I think we all would like to see your video tryout

[CubsFanKEC1982]

Cubs, why do u call TNA so much?


I think we all would like to see your video tryout

I called TNA to see if they could give me a list of the wrestlers scheduled to appear at a recent card I was considering going to and Dixie Carter answered.

Strange day. You should see the TNA International Headquarters in Nashville, though. It's in a very shady and dangerous neighborhood (especially at night) and beside a doughnut store and a discount book store, IIRC.

Probably about the size of your run of the mill small town doctor's office. It appears to be an old factory building that's been converted into office space.

And don't forget....

Crossfire Wrestling is going to kick off 2013 with a bang...

On January 5, the company will be holding its second anniversary show and TV taping at the Nashville Fairgrounds. I have purchased tickets and will be attending the event.

I am making myself available to obtain autographs for those that might want to pay for my services, but as Rick Harrison says on Pawn Stars.. "There's a price." HOWEVER, THAT PRICE HAS BEEN SLASHED FOR BLACK FRIDAY WEEKEND...

Here is a list of the confirmed talent along with the price of which I am forecasting they will charge (based upon past experiences) for an autograph. Also, please add a $5 fee per item/talent for me acquiring the signature as gas isn't cheap and space in my bag isn't either.

"Rowdy" Roddy Piper - $20
Dutch Mantel - $5
Matt Hardy - $10
Alissa Flash/Raisha Saed - $5
Mia Yim - $5
Jerry Lynn - $5
Kid Kash - $5
Kevin Sullivan - $10
Carlito - $10
The Hurricane - $10
Chris Masters - $10
Reby Sky - $5
Jillian Hall - $10
Colt Cabana - $5

Also, former TNA talents Chase Stevens, David Young and Cassidy O'Reilly are on the card. Don't know if any of these guys have cards in the Pacific TNA set, but if they do, Reilly and Stevens almost always set up a table and rarely charge. Thus, the cost would only be my fee.

In addition, M-Dogg (Tough Enough), Matt Taven and Caleb Konley are among the indy standouts listed for the card along with Jessicka Havok.

I am not certain if Maria Kanellis will be at this show. If she is, she's a $10 sig plus my fee.

Please PM me if interested. If multiple items are needed/paid for, the fee for me getting autographs can be discounted.

Also, IF YOU'RE SENDING YOUR OWN ITEMS, THE COST IS WHATEVER THE TALENT IS PROJECTED TO BE CHARGING PLUS RETURN SHIPPING.