In Addition to the Secretarial Debate

[ivbaseball06]

After wasting an hour and a half of my life reading the entire post of 'The Great Secretarial Debate', all the while being discouraged that ANY of my autographs are authentic (lol), I wanted to zone in with a kinda new discussion.

I think that it should be ruled out that an autograph can be ruled fake just because it looks different TTM than it does IP.

As someone who is not only obsessed with autograph collecting, but also with my own autograph, I sign it a lot, trying to make it look cooler. Personally, if I were signing stacks of autos, my hand would start to hurt and you would be able to see significant change in my signatures. As a sports card collector, I've noticed that if I get two of the same autographed cards out of packs, they sometimes look totally different (note: for those of you that don't know, companies insert authentic autographed cards into packs these days). Then I look at the serial numbering, one may be 12/2500, the other 2200/2500....This person is signing their name 2500 times! I know for a fact that mine would change.

Wow, that was long. Also, if you ever see video, pics, etc of celebs signing in person, they're always acting rushed (usually though they're not). They rarely STOP and sign. They kinda just do it on the fly (I've gotten plenty in person to know). Also, they're sometimes not holding what they are signing, and if they are, they're leaning it against their leg or in mid air. I know that if I was reaching into a crowd to sign a picture in the 3rd row, it would certainly look a lot different than if I was signing a stack of them on a desk. So, that is my weigh-in on 'Why autographs can't be ruled secretarial/fake only because they look different TTM than IP.'

Thank you for reading
Jordan

[whosurdaddy]

I agree. Although In Person signatures are a good reference for comparison. There is alot more involved in determining secretarials/forgeries.

[RuleroftheWorld]

I agree, but saying that IP/TTM dont match is not the only reason that many autographs are claimed to be secretarial.

Travolta, Pesci, De Niro, Diaz, Hanks, Williams are all secretarials, and thats not based on TTM/IP comparison either.

Which reminds me, I need to remove Travolta off my site...

[rpbluesman]

Travolta, Pesci, De Niro, Diaz, Hanks, Williams are all secretarials, and thats not based on TTM/IP comparison either.

And just what is that based off of then? As with all claims of authenticity, please try to provide evidence to support you rather than leaving it as is, and possibly starting an argument

[RuleroftheWorld]

Travolta, Pesci, De Niro, Diaz, Hanks, Williams are all secretarials, and thats not based on TTM/IP comparison either.

And just what is that based off of then? As with all claims of authenticity, please try to provide evidence to support you rather than leaving it as is, and possibly starting an argument

How can I start an argument by AGREEING with the threadstarter??

Yes TTM/IP comparison is not that reliable of a source for comparisons, but thats not the only thing taken into consideration.

Replies when the person isnt even in the country is a big clue for many, I'll post some links up later with more detailed info than I could ever type up!

[rpbluesman]

How can I start an argument by AGREEING with the threadstarter??

I never said anything about an argument with the original poster. Being on here as long as you have been, you know as well as many of the long time members that there have always been argumentative members on here looking for an argument.

But enough about this argument stufff, we're getting off topic.

[TheMailman]

I say Diaz and Travolta are authentic IMO