PP, AP or signed by someone else

[margotchanning]

I'd rather get none of them as they're all basically fakes and go straight in the bin.

My sentiments exactly {thumb2}

[whosurdaddy]

I prefer a PP or Autopen because it's an authentic autograph. It's not original, but it's still authentic. {thumb2}

Exactly. AP's are used to sign contracts and that kind of stuff. AP's are legally authentic.

I understand what your both trying to say but I wouldn't use authentic or original when describing PP's and AP's. There just copies of such.

Original
an original work, writing, or the like, as opposed to any copy or imitation.

Authentic
not false or copied; genuine; real

[MW1221]

Well, I don't believe an unauthentic would created a legally binding document.

And an AP creates a legally binding document.

If it's not unauthentic, than it's authentic.

[Atomic ant]

Legally Vs Authentic. Ok both Ap/secretary are legally binding in law.

But for the real autograph hunter, that's not the point. Who on earth is happy with 2nd best?
Let's be honest, who will spend hours writing and formatting a letter, for a ROBOTIC autograph, or for a paid secertary to sign.

I would like to think, at least sometimes the real celeb, both reads and signs, otherwise if we are not bothered, lets send it to one of the members on this website, to sign it.

It would be exactly the same thing.

[RuleroftheWorld]

"Legally binding" on a contract or not, PP and AP are NOT authentic autographs. In the context of signing documents etc they may be, but to an autograph collector, they are not. So in the interests of this hobby, they're not authentic.

Its kind of like the tomato. Its a fruit (well technically its a berry, but thats beside the point). Every knows its a fruit, and scientifically, its a fruit. but by law, its actually taxed as a vegetable.

My point is, the legal perception of something doesnt actually change what the item is.

[Atomic ant]

I could not agree with you more Andy. FANTASTIC REASONING MATE {thumb2}

[whosurdaddy]

This is the 2nd time I've seen this posted on this site regarding an autopen signature as being legally and binding. I contacted a Notary Public I know and gave her a scenario that I would be out of town, I'm purchasing a house and my wife will be bringing in my autopen machine to sign the closing papers for me, she laughed and said no way she could not notarize that and make it legal and binding. I also have a call in to my attorney which I'm sure I will hear from in the next couple days laughing as well. Didn't the prosecutor for ENRON argue this point? I also remember about a year after Clinton was out of office in an interview stated that all correspondences he signed by why of autopen as not to be liable in any way.

[Chris102]

I prefer a PP or Autopen because it's an authentic autograph. It's not original, but it's still authentic. {thumb2}

Exactly. AP's are used to sign contracts and that kind of stuff. AP's are legally authentic.

I understand what your both trying to say but I wouldn't use authentic or original when describing PP's and AP's. There just copies of such.

Original
an original work, writing, or the like, as opposed to any copy or imitation.

Authentic
not false or copied; genuine; real

A PP and Autopen signature are authentic, not original. A PP and Autopen are "genuine" and "real" because they were once signed by the actual person. Saying a PP or autopen is not authentic is like saying that a photocopy of a document is not authentic because it's not the original one.

[Atomic ant]

Whatever anyone says, Who really likes the thought that their hard worked letter, read only by someones sec? than to recieve only a photocopy or some ice cold autopen back

Oh dear, if that's it then just write to the fan mail studio, and send them a hugh list of celebs, and they will then warm your heart, by sending you back as many PP's as you can handle.

If on the other hand, if you are saying that, you would prefur authentics, but then think it's rude to throw away anything else, then that's diffront.

[whosurdaddy]

Original
an original work, writing, or the like, as opposed to any copy or imitation.

Authentic
not false or copied; genuine; real

Autopen
a machine that can automatically reproduce or imitate an autograph or personal signature with any type of pen, pencil, or marker.
A mechanical device used for writing imitations of a personal signature.


Real
genuine; not counterfeit, artificial, or imitation; authentic: a real antique; a real diamond; real silk.

Imitation
Something derived or copied from an original

No matter how you look at it PP's and AP'S are nothing more than a copy of an original, authentic, etc.
You can't take a copy of a Picasso and sell it as an original, real, authentic piece of art.