tony curtis ttm/secretarial?

[vespasian]

circumstances on where and how they are signed has nothing to do with it my friend
the ttm ones all look the same ..and the in person always looks the same...but both are different........i have a in -person signed pic from the autographica show that was held a couple of months back....and the person who got it said he was sat at a table taking his time signing them?you never under any circumstances get a situation where you have two different autographs from two different locations all of the time ....the only conclusion from this is thats one has got to be secretarial :neutral:

[vespasian]

moderator ..sorry about the blanks but when i pressed submit the same message appeared 5 times.....must be technical error

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[autoland]

circumstances on where and how they are signed has nothing to do with it my friend
the ttm ones all look the same ..and the in person always looks the same...but both are different........i have a in -person signed pic from the autographica show that was held a couple of months back....and the person who got it said he was sat at a table taking his time signing them?you never under any circumstances get a situation where you have two different autographs from two different locations all of the time ....the only conclusion from this is thats one has got to be secretarial :neutral:

Does this not call into question, almost any TTM successes, as everyone used to believe that James Garner only ever sent out authentics, and until I looked into it a bit closer so did I, then everyone used to think that Doris Day only sent out Authentics, now she is'ot intrested in even being called Doris.

This whole thing could be turned on it's head, really nothings guaranteed, someone signs something, we recieve it and thats thats. And unless I have recieved something either VV or from a home address, or paid for it in person, then I never ever call it an authentic!! why should I.

I'm so happy that I go to autograph shows sometimes, at least I see the celeb, then he or she will sign it right in front of me, and no questions asked. If anyone purely enters the route of TTM autographs only, then you are pretty much asking for trouble, yes there are some authentics, but maybe, just maybe not enough to build your collection around.

[vespasian]

there are still huge benefits in colllecting ttm......and there are plenty of celebs out there still signing ttm..the hard part is finding them what i tend to do is avoid known celebs who send out secretarials....and also always check my ttm against in person examples...i also find that older celebs such as maureen o hara and lauren bacall are better for getting authentics.......its a minefield out there the tricky part is finding the best way out

[Johnny's Fan]

This site is very confusing as everyone seems to have a different opinion on what is genuine or not.

Like up until yesterday, it seems to me most people were agreeing James Garner and Tony Curtis signed things themselves. If you look in the feedback section there are even people confirming this. So you can possibly see why some are for and against.

And as for Doris Day... well personally I don't believe the whole "Clara" rumour myself. If that was the case she wouldn't be calling her charity "The Doris Day" Animal League and if she totally wanted to distance herself between her screen legend, she wouldn't have any mention of her movie roles on there.

I'm not denying that there does seem to be evidence of secreterial work for this one, but I doubt evidence for this should be because she isn't signing "Clara".

And what I meant by circumstances was this: I have two LOTR items that were bought through someone who went to a show, and both the Ian McKellen signatures, are small, hurried and hard to read. I received 2 Ian McKellen autographs TTM, they are well written, have all the traits of the show signatures but look more spaced out and less hurried. I don't doubt any of these are anything but genuine, but they do on appearance look different. So I guess it depends on the signer more than anything.

[nathansautos]

well, now i'm a bit concerned: here's what i received from mr. curtis a couple months ago...

front of movie card:

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/Albu ... =113504617

illustration drawn on the back of the same movie card:

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/Albu ... =113504617

authentic? secretarial? hmmmm....

[nightowl]

What's interesting about this whole thing is when I first got my Tony Curtis autograph I went on the net and looked at A LOT of his IP autographs, and for the most part they compared fairly well.

Now when I go on the net, and look up Tony Curtis IP autographs, I am seeing nothing but this new one that appears to be the first and last name run together. Everywhere I look I see this joined version, which definitely has a different appearance than the ttm's.

The thought did cross my mind it may be due to hurrying, as people are lined up waiting. And as Johnny's Fan said, the Ian McKellen IP, and TTM, were noticeably different.

Now I am not saying "that" is the reason and that the ttm are definitely authentic, but how is it that all of a sudden there are these totally different looking signatures, where as before there wasn't any like those that I could see? I don't recall seeing any of his earlier IP being joined like that. Is it due to his age? His health?

And yes it doesn't seem right that all of his ttm look different than his IP. The Tony looks the same, and for the most part so does Curtis. But it's the C that is so significantly different all of a sudden, and that's due to the joining of the two names as they run together.

I did manage to come across a photo of an autograph signing showing Tony holding up something he had just signed. If you enlarge the photo you can see that he has signed his name with a space in between, like the ttm. But that's all you can make out. The photo is so small that when you attempt to enlarge it all detail is lost. I was looking to see the detailing in the C, but I can't make it out.

At this point all you are left with is the feeling that as his ttm is different from the IP that it must mean the ttm are secretarial . . .

I watched a video of him signing, and if you watch really carefully you could see him signing in one, non stop motion like vespasian's, and then the next one I see him sign his name the other way, the pen coming up off the photo to write Curtis separately. I watched it several times and the pen leaves the surface between names.

Oh, here's that small photo I was mentioning, but you can't make out the details.



You'll have to copy it into your pictures file and then enlarge it to see what I mean. When you enlarge it you can see two very distinct names, like the ttm. It's very blurry though and the detailing is lost, but the general shape appears similar.

[autoland]

I concur with most of What Nightowl said..... the way he writes "Tony" IP is almost the same as the TTM, the Curtis on the small photo, looks quite close to what I got TTM.

And a good thing to remember, is his gets 100's of letters sent to him weekly, and the truth is even IP he signs two ways...so whats happening??????

So are Tony's TTM hit and miss...some sec some not?? does his sec sign absolutely everything?? what we must remember is it has been noticed before, that with some celebs some TTM are authentic, and some sec, so it can be a bit up in the air.

I still think, that they are all secs, but at least this may give us the push to think about it another way.