Worst signers ttm AND in-person

[gghi18]

I was wondering who are some of the worst signers TTM and in-person. I usually look up autograph collector's 10 best and worst but I haven't seen a current version of it. Let me know who you think or redirect me to an existing link on here. http://autographmagazine.com/

Some examples I have heard before are:

-Jessica Lange

-William Shatner (I've heard he will at conventions but is still unfriendly to fans)

-Bruce Willis

-Demi Moore (She was listed on Autograph Collectors Worst IP signers but I have seen a few VV success from her not too long ago. But not many successes and then she switched to secretarial). viewtopic.php?f=125&t=185550 viewtopic.php?f=125&t=188600 http://autographs.keithjakubowski.net/ (Go to the "M" section at the bottom and you'll see scans that were received VV and appear to be authentic).

-Bill Murray

-Tobey Maguire

-Madonna

-Cameron Diaz (I don't want to get in a heated debate over whether her TTM are real or not but I've heard she is very difficult in-person and will only sign if there are cameras on her, like at a premiere or something).

-Britney Spears (I don't know how hard she is but it's probably a matter of actually meeting her through all the security, fans and paparazzi. But maybe she doesn't like to sign? I don't know. Again, I don't know about her TTM).

-Natalie Portman (I have never heard of a ttm or vv success from her and I hear she is very picky even signing IP).

-Joaquin Phoenix (I do know he used to sign TTM and VV but not anymore and is become difficult to get).

-Halle Berry (I heard she was listed on AC's top ten worst in 2008 I believe and that surprised me because I never thought of her to be like that. But she at least sends PP's which are better than nothing or a forgery, right?).

-Alan Alda (According to this link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195331,00.html), he was considered one of the worst which surprises me because he signs TTM but usually signs "one per household." In my opinion, he seems like a hit and miss. (Here's his fanmail history: http://www.fanmail.biz/5773.html)

-Winona Ryder (I have heard she is really hard to get IP and http://autographworld.com/ refers to her as a "Rare" autograph to obtain.

Any others I missed? Thanks!

gghi18

P.S. Here's some links to check out on worst signers and etc...

http://snarkerati.com/celebrity-gossip/ ... h-signers/

http://askville.amazon.com/10-worst-cel ... d=37180147

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195331,00.html

[clash6361]

Here's some info about Britney:

Britney's secretary usually signs for her Via Venue. She did on The Circus Tour anyway. So she's bad TTM (unless you count a sec as a "success")

Britney does sign in person, but her team are quite strict on how much and how often (for obvious reasons).

So she's not the worst signer in person. :neutral:

[gghi18]

Here's some info about Britney:

Britney's secretary usually signs for her Via Venue. She did on The Circus Tour anyway. So she's bad TTM (unless you count a sec as a "success")

Britney does sign in person, but her team are quite strict on how much and how often (for obvious reasons).

So she's not the worst signer in person. :neutral:

Okay, I actually figured she was one of those people that wasn't necessarily a "bad" signer but was more controlled by security in what and how much she can sign. She's probably very fan friendly in-person.

About the secretary thing, I was skeptical on it anyways because she is SO busy but I don't know. I think I would prefer a pre-print from her (or any person's autograph I wanted) than one that I was pretty sure/ certain was signed by her secretary if that makes sense. lol

Thanks for your comment!

[clash6361]

Yeah, I would prefer a pre print to a sec to be honest, I mean Sec's are just plain lying ;)

Then again so are pre prints (they trick a lot of people).

Lol I would prefer a pre print, sec, autopen or anything over nothing though.

[gghi18]

Totally agree with you. The only thing I don't like getting is my SASE back and find my photos unsigned only to get excited from nothing. I would prefer a RTS so I could reuse the stamps on the SASE inside the RTS.

And I agree, Pre-Prints do trick people too. Usually people who are accustomed to fanmail are good at spotting them but there are those few that really keep you guessing. You kind of want to smudge it to see if it's real but then again you don't want to ruin it if it is real, which I have done once before. (Even smudging could mean it's an Auto-Pen anyways). Which is why we usually wait on this site for people to post their same response so we can compare. lol Sometimes, it would be nice if there was a sticker on the back declaring the authenticity of the autograph. haha!

[goswannies]

I personally don't mind if people don't like to sign. It's very much their right not to.

I was once after a football player & coach who is quite reclusive. Reportedly never signs TTM, very rarely IP. I never bothered to try for him for this reason ... why bother a man who doesn't want to be bothered? Then i discovered that I had a friend who had a friend who knew this reclusive coach well and was happy to try on my behalf. The friend explained to the coach why I wanted him to sign a card of himself as the coach of the team I support (I have a fairly large collection of autographs of coaches & players from this team 460+; he was the only living coach i was yet to get; and the card i wanted signed was only card of him as the coach of that team - there were many other cards of him as a player with other clubs, but only one card as a coach from my club in 1982). I sent 2 cards - one for the coach to keep and one for me - and even sent a permanent pen and SASE to make it easier. Apparently he spent some time listening to the reasons for my request, agreed, signed and returned both cards...but kept the pen!

Don't like secretarials. I could fake the signature myself and save the postage! Don't mind RTS, as at least I can re-use the SASE. Don't like it if they use my SASE to return an unsigned item. Pre-prints are better than nothing... at least you can see what the signature should look like.

[canadagraphs1]

Well gghi18

I cant speak on ttm stuff since I dont do it.

But of all the people you listed... Shatner, Murray, Phoenix, Berry & Ryder have all made my worst list for IP. The rest on that list, I have either not met, or didnt have enough interaction to fairly grade them.... but it is a list I would say is fairly accurate from what I have encountered myself.

Feel free to check out my list http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/my-best- ... lists.html

[timothyj91]

Gwyneth Paltrow is a pretty tough signer.. So is Vanessa Hudgens -- although I am not sure they deserve to be on this list.

[johnnylightninglives]

Here's some info about Britney:

Britney's secretary usually signs for her Via Venue. She did on The Circus Tour anyway. So she's bad TTM (unless you count a sec as a "success")

Britney does sign in person, but her team are quite strict on how much and how often (for obvious reasons).

So she's not the worst signer in person. :neutral:

This is unproven so you shouldnt say this without knowing forsure Truth is nobody knows forsure but i do know i got her autograph vv on the circus tour and it matches other signatures of hers including "so called" authentic in person autographs so i disagree with your comments 100% People always like to doubt autographs from huge stars either because they are jelous or they just figure the celeb is too popular to sign which isnt always the case. Not only do i know my autograph is real but i will be writing to her again on this tour....

[clash6361]

Here's some info about Britney:

Britney's secretary usually signs for her Via Venue. She did on The Circus Tour anyway. So she's bad TTM (unless you count a sec as a "success")

Britney does sign in person, but her team are quite strict on how much and how often (for obvious reasons).

So she's not the worst signer in person. :neutral:

This is unproven so you shouldnt say this without knowing forsure Truth is nobody knows forsure but i do know i got her autograph vv on the circus tour and it matches other signatures of hers including "so called" authentic in person autographs so i disagree with your comments 100% People always like to doubt autographs from huge stars either because they are jelous or they just figure the celeb is too popular to sign which isnt always the case. Not only do i know my autograph is real but i will be writing to her again on this tour....

Ok, I won't start an argument with you, but if no one can be sure if her VV successes are real or not, how can you be so sure yours is Real???
I admit you may be right, I just doubt they're real for a few different reasons

tbh it doesn't really matter, unless you get it IP you can never be 100% sure

Oh and why do you dissaggree with my comment ENTIRELY? I mean, sure there's doubt about the Via Venue thing, but everyone knows her team are strict in who she signs for in person. I've seen tonnes of videos on youtube where she can only sign one of two out of a huge crowd.